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Monday, February 27, 2006
ethics
Talking with a friend about an ethics class she is in. She is my age and her academic counterparts are kids, youth who have yet to experience raw life outside of the protectorate... she posted an IM to me and this is/was my reply to her....
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phaedrus80503: ethic [1- A set of principles of right conduct.]
.....Morals [1- Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character] .... the difference is Morals is based on judgement and thereby variable ... ethics are concerning condcut for the greatest good ....
phaedrus80503: Instrumentalist morality [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumentalism ]thus resembles utilitarianism [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism ]in defining moral rules only as tools for moral good. Thus the moral code rising from a given population is simply a collection of rules that are useful to the population. David Hume was perhaps the first person to suggest that there might not be any intrinsic or metaphysical value of rules, but that they are simply secular and natural rules that are human-madephaedrus80503: there is no moral absolutisim and to take that position is to not be philisophic, scientific, or academic... to take that position is dogma rhetoric and oppressive. It is very arguable that there are ethics that can be defined for the greatest good of a domain. whether the domain is medical, professional, national, family, or global... first, defining what is in the construct that can be determined.. and morality while it is a guiding light can also be an oppressive solar flare burning all possible options and leaving a burnt toast landscape... so.. ethics starts there, by determination of 'what is the domain in which we are speaking'
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I feel this is important and this kind of talk needs to be more prevailant
we need more devils advocates, Promotor Fidei, Advocatus Diaboli.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotor_Fidei
Formerly, during the canonization process by the Roman Catholic Church, the Promoter of the Faith (Latin Promotor Fidei), or Devil's Advocate (Latin advocatus diaboli), was a canon lawyer appointed by the Church to argue against the canonization of the proposed candidate. It was his job to take a skeptical view of the proceedings, to look for holes in the evidence, to argue that the miracles attributed to the candidate were fraudulent, etc.
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In common parlance, the term has come to mean a person who argues a position that they do not necessarily believe in, simply for the sake of arguing; or who presents a counterargument for a position they do believe in to another debater. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.
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a real good quote
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3664/is_200410/ai_n9453139
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Yet Gebara always deconstructs "dualistic God-talk" (compare her Longing for Running Water [1999]). She denies any supernatural or Manichean force of evil.
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"It is as if some ingredient has infiltrated everywhere and can be called 'evil.' It has the potential to destroy human relationships, our affinity with the earth, life in all its forms." "Evil" is pervasive: not stronger than good but inseparable from it. "Evil is the condition for naming the good [and vice versa]. Like Augustine's tapestry with its knotty back-side, we only recognize, appreciate and practice 'good' in contrast to 'evil.'" Christians often repress this relativity of good to evil. "This experience of realizing that almost all our solutions are, in fact, the result of a lesser evil or of some other type of evil frightens me."
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"Good" for her is no absolute end but "a delicate flower always in danger of dying." Absolute good-versus-evil facilitates evil. Writing just before the new U.S. perpetration of death in the name of God and Good, Gebara observes, "there exists a control, an imperialism in the name of good, capable of killing others." The alternative to absolutism is not relativism but relationalism: "Empirical observation of the complex relatedness" suggests to her that "without evil, we would not know what is good; without sickness we would not know what health is." Who is God? For any believer, Gebara says, "to say 'God' is to call upon a presence of goodness, of support, of justice." But "God continues to be, in a certain sense, an empty concept, that is, a concept that admits of different meanings." She therefore proposes "the essediversity of God," a term suggesting irreducible interrelatedness: "All things live in God and God lives in everything."
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I really like this ... "the essediversity of God," a term suggesting irreducible interrelatedness: "All things live in God and God lives in everything"
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I reject Dante's Inferno of Devil, of Michaelangello's Creation of the human being [http://www.hofesh.org.il/freeclass/parashat_hashavua/9901_bereshit/michael_angelo.jpg] and that by saying 'we are created in God's image' means human form...
taking the idea of God as living in everything, aka the Cosmos, we are ergo, small versions of the Cosmos. This Chimaera of a human form crap is our ego's sticking us with a cosmic joke. until we let go of, our ego, we will never be capable of unity of mankind or peace on earth, until we can seperate ethics from morality, our ego from defining good, our vanity from defining God, we will continue to be nothing more then a self distructive virus on the planet.
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let's hope no other entity creation life form comes along and applies a medicine to get rid of us so dogs and dolphins can continue with evolution.
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phaedrus80503: ethic [1- A set of principles of right conduct.]
.....Morals [1- Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character] .... the difference is Morals is based on judgement and thereby variable ... ethics are concerning condcut for the greatest good ....
phaedrus80503: Instrumentalist morality [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumentalism ]thus resembles utilitarianism [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism ]in defining moral rules only as tools for moral good. Thus the moral code rising from a given population is simply a collection of rules that are useful to the population. David Hume was perhaps the first person to suggest that there might not be any intrinsic or metaphysical value of rules, but that they are simply secular and natural rules that are human-madephaedrus80503: there is no moral absolutisim and to take that position is to not be philisophic, scientific, or academic... to take that position is dogma rhetoric and oppressive. It is very arguable that there are ethics that can be defined for the greatest good of a domain. whether the domain is medical, professional, national, family, or global... first, defining what is in the construct that can be determined.. and morality while it is a guiding light can also be an oppressive solar flare burning all possible options and leaving a burnt toast landscape... so.. ethics starts there, by determination of 'what is the domain in which we are speaking'
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I feel this is important and this kind of talk needs to be more prevailant
we need more devils advocates, Promotor Fidei, Advocatus Diaboli.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotor_Fidei
Formerly, during the canonization process by the Roman Catholic Church, the Promoter of the Faith (Latin Promotor Fidei), or Devil's Advocate (Latin advocatus diaboli), was a canon lawyer appointed by the Church to argue against the canonization of the proposed candidate. It was his job to take a skeptical view of the proceedings, to look for holes in the evidence, to argue that the miracles attributed to the candidate were fraudulent, etc.
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In common parlance, the term has come to mean a person who argues a position that they do not necessarily believe in, simply for the sake of arguing; or who presents a counterargument for a position they do believe in to another debater. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.
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a real good quote
.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3664/is_200410/ai_n9453139
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Yet Gebara always deconstructs "dualistic God-talk" (compare her Longing for Running Water [1999]). She denies any supernatural or Manichean force of evil.
.
"It is as if some ingredient has infiltrated everywhere and can be called 'evil.' It has the potential to destroy human relationships, our affinity with the earth, life in all its forms." "Evil" is pervasive: not stronger than good but inseparable from it. "Evil is the condition for naming the good [and vice versa]. Like Augustine's tapestry with its knotty back-side, we only recognize, appreciate and practice 'good' in contrast to 'evil.'" Christians often repress this relativity of good to evil. "This experience of realizing that almost all our solutions are, in fact, the result of a lesser evil or of some other type of evil frightens me."
.
"Good" for her is no absolute end but "a delicate flower always in danger of dying." Absolute good-versus-evil facilitates evil. Writing just before the new U.S. perpetration of death in the name of God and Good, Gebara observes, "there exists a control, an imperialism in the name of good, capable of killing others." The alternative to absolutism is not relativism but relationalism: "Empirical observation of the complex relatedness" suggests to her that "without evil, we would not know what is good; without sickness we would not know what health is." Who is God? For any believer, Gebara says, "to say 'God' is to call upon a presence of goodness, of support, of justice." But "God continues to be, in a certain sense, an empty concept, that is, a concept that admits of different meanings." She therefore proposes "the essediversity of God," a term suggesting irreducible interrelatedness: "All things live in God and God lives in everything."
.
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I really like this ... "the essediversity of God," a term suggesting irreducible interrelatedness: "All things live in God and God lives in everything"
::
I reject Dante's Inferno of Devil, of Michaelangello's Creation of the human being [http://www.hofesh.org.il/freeclass/parashat_hashavua/9901_bereshit/michael_angelo.jpg] and that by saying 'we are created in God's image' means human form...
taking the idea of God as living in everything, aka the Cosmos, we are ergo, small versions of the Cosmos. This Chimaera of a human form crap is our ego's sticking us with a cosmic joke. until we let go of, our ego, we will never be capable of unity of mankind or peace on earth, until we can seperate ethics from morality, our ego from defining good, our vanity from defining God, we will continue to be nothing more then a self distructive virus on the planet.
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let's hope no other entity creation life form comes along and applies a medicine to get rid of us so dogs and dolphins can continue with evolution.
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essediversity =
essence + diversity
es·sence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.
.
The most important ingredient; the crucial element.
The inherent, unchanging nature of a thing or class of things.
An extract that has the fundamental properties of a substance in concentrated form.
Something that exists, especially a spiritual or incorporeal entity.
diversity
n 1: noticeable heterogeneity; "a diversity of possibilities"; "the range and variety of his work is amazing" [syn: diverseness, multifariousness, variety] 2: the condition or result of being changed
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essence + diversity
es·sence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.
.
The most important ingredient; the crucial element.
The inherent, unchanging nature of a thing or class of things.
An extract that has the fundamental properties of a substance in concentrated form.
Something that exists, especially a spiritual or incorporeal entity.
diversity
n 1: noticeable heterogeneity; "a diversity of possibilities"; "the range and variety of his work is amazing" [syn: diverseness, multifariousness, variety] 2: the condition or result of being changed
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